Swiss shooting thaler

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Hi,
I got a question for you all, do anybody have any idea why is this one exluded from his shooting family and rottens in the trash token bin?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22988.html

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Jarek
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Well, it has a #X instead of a #KM number in NGC as well, that means it will be in the Unusual World Coins Catalog, where all the fantasy coins and tokens are listed. Maybe it is not official or wasn't meant to circulate but just presented as a token?
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well there is a 'valid until' date right on it
Oh, I missed that. 0:)

That would be it, with "valid until date" it is reasonable why it is in the tokens section.

I believe I can close this then. Thank you both!
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For some reason Krause uses Km# Tn for tokens that corculated as currencies, but uses X# for medals that circulated as currency.
Medals that circulated as currencies in my opinion should also be listed with coins if circulating tokens are listed with them.
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Quote: "Jarcek"That would be it, with "valid until date" it is reasonable why it is in the tokens section.
I believe I can close this then. Thank you both!
It's the same for a big part of the French cities "coins" and they remain in the coin section too.
I think I will probably move it, and ask numismaticroy what he thinks about it. But he already wrote that he is very busy at the moment, so I will wait a little with this.

Thanks for all answers! :)
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If you want to broaden the topic, you look at all the so called shooting talers or franken for Switzerland.
ex https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces59647.html that has a KM number
There are some in Austria Habsburg with X# numbers
This https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces43916.html for German states

I don't know where we should put them but we should decide independently of the choice Krause has done which seem variable.
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I am increasingly more convinced that they should all(those with face value) belong to their respective states - either as coins, or as circulating tokens.
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Quote: "Ecapoe"If you want to broaden the topic, you look at all the so called shooting talers or franken for Switzerland.
ex https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces59647.html that has a KM number
There are some in Austria Habsburg with X# numbers
This https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces43916.html for German states
I'm certainly agree with your first link but the second one (of the German States) has no denomination. You can hardly call this medallion a coin. Of course, that's my opinion. I know there is a very small line between coins and some tokens, concretely tokens who actually circulated for instance because of the lack of normal coinage. I guess there isn't an easy solution. But at least we have to try to be consistent and logical. Putting some of the Swiss shooting talers in the token section and others in the coin section doesn't seem logical.
Medaillon should stay, the one from Swiss cantons thould be ascended to the sun.
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